Teasel root tincture


Dear Stephen,
I was diagnosed with lyme disease 2 years ago by an alternative therapies doctor having spent the previous 5 years up and down at my local G.P. who didn’t seem to have a clue what was going on. I took a course of antibiotics (about 3 weeks) and was advised that I was cured albeit that my symptoms seemed to worsen. I am 100% certain that I still have this disease. But having had such a bad time with the antibiotics, I have decided to take a holistic approach. I’ve read your book with interest and Matthew Wood’s book as well. I am currently being treated by a great herbalist and am taking teasel root tincture. In the last week and a half, I’ve increased the dose from 1 drop 3x daily to now 10 drops 3x daily and can’t really see a great effect and haven’t herxed at all. I’ve read that teasel root tincture does not work for everyone and I’m wondering if that might be the case for me or whether it is too soon to tell. My symptoms are predominantly inflammation in the pelvic area and especially my pelvic bone with pain in my abdomen. I was originally bitten on the top of the leg and the inflammation seemed to travel from there to my pelvic area. I’ve also experienced problems with my periods lessening and shock-like pains in my head and neck. When I took the antibiotics I also experienced a lot of hair loss and extreme pain in my head but this seems to have lessened in the last 2 years. I’m from Scotland so unfortunately there doesn’t appear to be a lot of information on this disease or a lot of lyme literate doctors. Any assistance or advice would be much appreciated.


Stephen’s response:
I would urge you to try both Japanese knotweed and stephania as well as cat’s claw. Teasel root does generally help with arthritic inflammations; it sometimes helps those with the disease itself though from my experience this is pretty hit and miss. Some people do respond to low dose teasel tincture, many do not. I generally start people off at the 3 drop dosage but if after a week there is no improvement I up the dose and continue to do so for a month or so. My preferred dosages for most herbs are high and I think that up to 1 tsp of teasel 3x daily is fine for most people and often the higher dose is necessary. You might also have GI tract lyme in which case I would highly suggest the use of grapefruit seed extract for a week or two to see how you respond while at the same time taking something like Pepto Bismol as the lyme spirochetes are very sensitive to bismuth.
Stephen
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posted on October 7, 2011 in Herbs, teasel root

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  • Anna McCarthy

    October 9, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    However Pepto Bismol can cause deafness with repeated use, as it says on the package. My own mother went quite deaf with it and a good friend was doing Teitlebaum’s protocol and started going deaf when she read the package. I would like to do more but am now very leary….But thanks so much for all your good ideas.

    • Marie

      February 11, 2013 at 11:00 pm

      I’m not sure but I think the issue with Pepto Bismol is more in the additives and aluminum it contains and there are cleaner more pure forms of bismuth that could probably be used with less risks? I know Thorne formulas has one that contains Bismuth.

  • Michael

    April 27, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    Hi,

    I’m interested in starting the teasel root tincture. I’ve had lymes for 1.5 years now and while I’ve responded well to antibiotics for short periods of time, I just can’t kick it. I’ve stopped antibiotics for the most part and I’ve been on the vitamin C/salt regimen for about 6 months and I really started to improve but as of late it seems to have become less effective.

    1. What is the success rate of teasel root?
    2. How long do I have to take it?
    3. Are there any precautionary measures?

    I saw lady barbaras YouTube vid and I’m willing to try anything at this point. I’ve all but given up on life and can’t count on any doctor. Please help me.

    MF

    • Jody

      June 26, 2013 at 9:49 am

      Dear Michael,
      You are ahead of the game when you looked to alternative medicines. 10 years ago I first contracted Lyme Disease and had the rounds of antibiotics. Pronounced CURED! Now I get sicker and sicker with what doctors call: Thyroid disorders, Fibrmyalgia, MS, Cronic Fatigue syndrome. I have not been able to find anyone to recognize cronic Lyme, until now. Teasel was recommended to me and I found this website! This is the first HOPE I have found after all these years.
      So my message to you friend, don’t give up. There is so much more out there than there was 10 years ago. Lyme is terrible to suffer with, I know.
      Our bodies are designed to repair themselves and when we give them the right medicines, natural, of course, we can heal despite all.

      • ginasnest

        January 6, 2015 at 7:28 pm

        look at tiredoflyme.com for cure including teasel onedrop to nine drops pr day addinng one more each day only 9 drops every day after 9th day of adding one more drop. it pulls spirochetes out of organs tissue and bone to be exposed tp anti biotics youre taking to kill lyme spirochetes .also take biofilm dissolvers ,enzymes like nattokinase and such.

      • Petru

        January 31, 2015 at 9:45 am

        Like him i had iv’s for 1.5 months followed by 3 months of oral antibiotics and i had a relapse 1.5 years after the treatment. Did the teasel root cure you for good?

  • Mom

    August 19, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    Dear Michael,

    I’m so sorry you are struggling with this rotten, rotten disease. Don’t give up, honey. Don’t give up. Keep learning, studying, and believing you get get the help you need. The terrible thing about Lyme and its co-infections is everyone responds so differently.

    The doctor I’m currently seeing is in the process of starting a clinical trial with Ozone therapy. This is quite exciting as it does not consist of antibiotics which we all know messes up our gut. Instead a portion of your blood is taken out, infused with pure oxygen (which kills the bad guys) and then is put back into your body. This helps your immune system to wake up and recognize the bad guys. I told the doc, “Count me in!”

    Unfortunately, due to the political/medical climate of Lyme, we patients are struggling against a current that is much stronger than we are – especially when we are already weakened physically, mentally, and even spiritually.

    FYI, while waiting weeks to be seen by a Lyme literate doc, I followed an herbal protocol from a friend who is a master herbalist. I went on a completely raw diet and downed 16 cloves of crushed garlic/day (depending on garlic, however, listen to your body some is much stronger than others, your body will tell you how much you can handle). Then I discovered virgin organic coconut oil which I would make a ball with the garlic and it helped the digestion much! It also has excellent antiviral/fungal/microbial properties. Then I began a parasite cleanse with bitter herbs (tinctures). I also took an herbal bowel mover to get the bad guys out of my colon. I would try to drink 2-4 Tbs of green drink/day as well – which had all manner of things in it including chlorella. All of my worst symptoms disappeared (heart flip/flops, encephalitis type pain, lightning flashes in my head). However I suspected the spirochetes were in hiding – and rightly so! As I started a pulse-type antibiotic therapy I herxed after the first dose, so I know they had to be lured out. All that to say that we need to constantly change up our regimen to hit them and catch them when they least expect it. They are smart little buzzards.

    You can win this battle dearie. Don’t quit.

    Love,
    Mom

  • Theresa Lee

    November 1, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Please,
    I a a 57 yr old woman who was infected in 1974 at age 18. I got deathly ill, but in 1974 no one knew what it was. It was “mono”.
    I “appeared” to get over it and was ok till age 40. I totally collapsed. Not one conventional doctor could diagnose me . “You have chronic fatigue. Go home and take a nap.” ” you have low blood pressure. Wear really tight hose.” “It’s menopause. Get over it.”

    I am now 57 and totally bedridden. Any symptom you’ve ever read about lymes, I have. Please, is there any help ? Please.

    • Sonja

      December 18, 2013 at 11:45 pm

      Dear Teresa,
      I am on COWDEN LYME DISEASE PROTOCOL.
      It helps a lot. However, minerals and vitamins are needed to support our immune system. The probiotics are needed every day as well. The diet is very important. Please read http://www.recipesforrepair.com/diet.html
      If you want to contact me ask the web provider to give you my email address. Good luck. Sonja

  • Betsy

    November 12, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    Good luck everyone! I have 2 friends that “have” it and now my dog is lame and arthritic and suffering from it….after 30 days of doxycycline…which is so bad for bones….ready for anything and everthing alternative…thanx for some ideas and keep your head(s) up…here are some others:”Spirochete” from Kroeger Herbs, D-Lenolate olive leaf extract and the homeopathic Ledum palustre 1M, bee Propolis Formula, Lomatium Formula and Waltheria Formula, Green Terrestrial’s Auntie Lyme tea…and then immune stimulating herbs, echinacea, goldenseal, and chaparral…Chinese astragalus and Ayurvedic Ashwaganda………….Happy healing and blessings!!

  • Jinj

    January 15, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    Prima Una DeGato 2x daily has been a huge help. Slowly work up to 5 drops to not get herx reaction. I use with Graprfruit seed extract 1x daily to sour blood and force spirochetes out into blood for cats claw to kill. And Colloidal Silver…Invive 1100 ppm 2x daily

  • Astrid

    June 29, 2014 at 4:42 am

    I really don’t know if I have lime, bud I’m having health problems my whole life. I was diagnosed with severe mercury poisoning when I was 42 (confirmt with labtests). I developed that when I was 23 (a dentist poisoned me). I did get the diagnose CFS (confirmt with a nitrostresstest). After All my amalgams where removed I started feeling better, but seven years ago my health took a new dive after something that look as a severe intestinal infection. At the same time I had severe pain in my hip, but I thought this was unrelated. I cannot remember any tick-bite bud when I was 17 I developed ulcers on my arm and the docter thought it was from a hornet. I’m 62 now and my brother pointed me at possible Lyme so I asked a test by my dokter. It came back negative but I know these tests are not good (my dokter disagreed). I wend to I health practitioner who did a Life blood analyses. He pointed me to only one spirogate, bud also one L Form, and a cyst form. We also saw a little black parasite climb out of one of my red blood cells, he thought it was probably babesia. The health practitioner thought I had Lyme but he is not a dokter so he cannot officially diagnose me. His priscription was arthemesia, Teasel and later serrapeptase. He did say it was tricky because of my history with mercury-poisening.
    After reading your book I decide to tray very carefully the teasel tincture (i’m very sensitive and cannot even take most vitamins and homeopathics drive me nuts).
    I started last Saturday with two drops in the morning and two in the evening. Tuesday night a started feeling cramps in my intestines. Wednesday I took the last dose because the complaints where to severe. Anxiety, laying awake whole nicht, burning intestines and stools (with some blood), depressive thoughts, leverpain, a to active brain in combination with brain fog, palpations, neckpain and headage. Dead feeling in my face and pain in my eyes. Loss of appetite. I stopped the Teasel at Wednesday and still have al the symptoms, neck-pain and liver-pain are more severe, bud I did steep 5 hours.
    Is there anywhere a good test that can confirm if lime is the cause. Can you have such a severe reaction from teasel if you don’t have lime. I live in the Netherlands and here there are no good tests at al. Hope for an answer. Is there anything I can do to stop this reaction.

    • Sonja

      July 19, 2014 at 7:11 pm

      Dear Astrid,

      There is a role of Active B12 in detoxification of body, which is connected to so called MTHFR, which is a gene mutations. I put down some of the webs for you to become familiar with that issue, and added some relevant texts from that web. The MTHFR can be reason that you are so sensitive on detox. You read these webs, and than talk to you doctor about tests for MTHFR And Active B12 (not total B12)
      Hope this can help.

      http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/mthfr-treatment-inflammation-detox-reaction.19987/

      http://doccarnahan.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/mthfr-gene-mutation-whats-big-deal.html

      http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support-forums/tips/11052509-rapid-healing-methylation

      Extracted text from web above
      At first when treating the lyme I would always have really severe herxes to even minimum doses of herbs or pharm grade abx…
      After fixing the methylation issues and removing some methyl traps I was not aware of like the Glutathione pre cursor the methylation system fired up instantaneously.
      after correcting the methylation issues I am surprised to say that almost all of my lyme symptoms are dissapearing.
      I took pretty high dose herbal abx to treat the lyme and also barely even herxed! I know wonder the reason why some people herx and others do not possibly being due to methylation issues?
      Herx reactions release a lot of ammonia from bacteria kill off, so without proper methylation for detox its no wonder some people can get so over toxic and herx so hard!
      The reason I ran into methyl traps was actually because I continued to use protein bars which I thought were safe because they did not contain folic acid, however they did have whey which caused partial methyl trap.

      About vitamin B12
      http://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-10776/everything-you-need-to-know-about-b12-deficiency.html
      http://www.active-b12.com/What-Is-Active-B12

    • Mia

      December 8, 2014 at 9:29 pm

      Hi Astrid,
      Infectolab in Germany is one of the best labs in the world for testing LYME and co-infections. If you can afford it get the basic LYME test done plus Chlamydia pneumonia. They can both cause symptoms you described.

      The blood for Infectolab does not have to be refrigerated or shaken, however it must arrive in Germany by DHL within 48 hours.
      Have you blood drawn on Monday by an MD or ND then arrange pickup or take it to a DHL international shipping location to make sure it gets to Germany by Wednesday.

      All paperwork, needles with syringes, with detailed instructions & DHL packaging is included with the testkit. The price for the DHL shipping is included with the price for testing. MD or ND has to sign off on this and the results will go directly to him/her.

      Infecto lab contact:
      Msi. Andrea Foag (I spoke with Andrea, she speaks fairly good English, she will send you the testkit at no charge)

      service@infectolab.de

      49 821 455 0740

      USA/worldwide contact:

      (she will send the testkit to anyone requiring it worldwide = I spoke with her =she is very approachable and willing to mail me the test kit but it was already on its way to me from Germany:

      Ms. Sue Vogan

      717-254-1953

      svlabtestkit@gmail.com

      Services provided by infectolab:
      http://www.infectolab.de/index.php?id=37&L=1

      Clinic in Ausburg Germany – “Borreoliose Centrum Ausburg”:

      Range of Services:

      http://www.b-c-a.de/index.php?id=81&L=1

      Most USEFUL information for patients and doctors about LYME, testing, and treatment:

      http://www.b-c-a.de/index.php?id=118&L=1

      Information for Patients/Doctors

      You can find information about the BCA-clinic, the Lyme Compact Treatment Program, Laboratory and Naturopathic Treatment here. Please click on the text below to download the information leaflets.

      Patient Information Leaflet about Lyme Disease and the BCA-clinic

      Information Leaflet about the Lyme Compact Treatment Program at the BCA-clinic

      Information about Naturopathic Treatment Options for Lyme Disease

      Information Leaflet about Laboratory and Diagnostics of Lyme Disease and Co-infections

      Importance of Co-infections

      sending blessings your way

  • Diana

    July 13, 2014 at 3:58 pm

    I was originally diagnosed with MS in 2011. When I got worse every day, and NEVER got better, I started researching if my health issues might be caused by something else. I kept seeing the word “Lyme” – so in April, 2014 I got my blood tested. Positive for Lyme! And, it horribly turns out, the MS meds I was so diligently taking made the Lyme worse. I start treatment with my LLMD on 7/24/14. I hope I can recover to start living my life again!

    • Ashley

      July 26, 2014 at 5:34 am

      Diana,
      I am so glad you found the correct diagnosis. You are a smart one:) I am sorry you have been sick. Good luck with treatment! You will get better it just takes time. So be patient:) and be POSITIVE! Very important.

  • bobby dale

    February 7, 2015 at 2:13 pm

    i was tested positive for lime about 1 1/2 years ago i took 2 28 sets of treatment i have pain in my joints my hands hurt when i grab hold of something pain in shoulders hips to i have a hard time getting out of bed in morning. i heard of teasel root i am going to try it can you tell me where to get it

  • Jude V.

    April 17, 2015 at 1:12 pm

    Woodland Essence carries it: http://www.woodlandessence.com/herbal.htm

  • Donna

    June 16, 2015 at 9:08 pm

    My daughter used the Bob Beck protocol and drank plenty of ozonated water, colloidal silver water and a lyme diet and is as good as new now. She had a lot of gut issues with severe candida, bloating constantly,etc. and we had her drink Vital Protein Collagen daily which helped heal her gut and make her food allergies much more manageable.
    She even had a hashimotos diagnosis and has now lost the added weight and is working out hard every day.
    I have my daughter back from a horrible bout of mood disorders, fatigue , insomia, aching…..
    I hope and pray it’s gone for good, but I keep looking for the return of symptoms any time. It just seems too good to be true!
    The Bob Beck protocol can’t be combined with medications and has to be used correctly or it can cause harm if you don’t rid yourself of the die off properly.

  • ionut

    November 12, 2015 at 9:50 am

    Hello,

    After reading everywhere in the last weeks, I have to make my own “protocol” and try to kill this nasty thing. so, here is what I am thinking to try as a result to all the information that I gathered until now:
    (what do you think?)

    -Teasel root (on empty stomach the morning drops?)
    -Una de Gato
    -Grapefruit seeds extract
    -Vitamin C (not sure how much a day)
    -Manuka Honey
    -Propolis tincture
    -Ashwagandha (maybe also Rhodiola, or it is similar?)
    -Olive oil extract (not sure about this one, but couldn`t hurt)
    -Garlic (a few on empty stomach)

    Plus

    -Eating regime :

    No Sugar
    No Alcohol
    No Wheat (pasta, bread, s.o…)
    No Meat (just fish once in a few days)

    Lots of water
    Lots of Fruits and vegetables

    So my question is… would you add /remove or change something from my “killing Lyme“ list?

    Thank you very much and I hope that my weeks of research is helping others also!

    Ionut

  • Brad

    November 19, 2015 at 12:14 pm

    Hi ionut,

    Ive been dealing with Lyme and coinfections for most of my life and all of my adult life. I have nearly 5+ years background working and experimenting with a restrictive diet. My recommendation comes from experiential knowledge as well as tips Ive gleaned from LLDs (Lyme literate doctors), alternative practitioners and years of research. While my recommendations may not be the perfect fit for you, there is a lot here to help you get started. Most of all, listen to your body and do whats best for you to maintain optimal health. I cannot stress that enough. Do not let others cloud your judgement.

    No wheat
    No sugar
    No alcohol

    Grains that you may be able to tollerate include quinoa, wild or brown rice (not white), buckwheat, millet, and amaranth. Some feel best when removing grains all together. Beans are often a good source of nutrients for those who can tollerate them, but again some feel best after eliminating grains and beans. I personally eat the aforementioned grains and beans.

    Nuts and seeds are a good source of nutrients for those who can tolerate them. Some advise that you avoid tree nuts.

    You must avoid processed white and brown sugars. Some still consume honey and fruit, but more often than not, these must also be removed. I cannot tollerate honey and I only eat low glycemic fruits. Generally these fruits will taste sour and include: Lemons, limes, grapefruit, green apples, black berries, rasberries, and blueberries. This is a great way to fuel your body with the nutrients it needs for normal processes including detoxification while avoiding the high sugar content that will feed the infection.

    Many remove dairy products all together because they drive inflamation in the body. There are some who consume raw dairy, keifer and yogurt for their immuno supportive properties, but I personally cannot tollerate them and there are many others who feel the same way.

    I would not remove meat all together. The body is already starved for nutrients. Bacterial and fungal infections will compete for these resources. Try to incorperate clean meats (chicken, fish, beef, lamb) from clean sources (organic, grass fed, no abx, no steroids) as much as possible.

    The bulk of the diet will be comprised of fresh vegetables, especially GREENS and lots of water. Beware of starchy vegetables like white potatoes. It would be wise to start with water and greens. Slowly introduce new elements one day at a time. If you feel a negative reaction, cut it out. We each have unique physiology, and in our case, unique blend of infectious diseases we are handling. (Candida Albicans is often part of the mix for many Lyme sufferers).

    Drinks should include filtered water and herbal teas. Beware of contraindications with herbs. Its best to use milder substances with the same character and modality as those in the protocol. Fruit juice is a big no no.

    In conclusion, You may want to reconsider:
    1) The elimination of all meat except occasional fish
    2) The regular consumption of honey
    3) The regular consumotion of fruits

    Beyond that I think you are well on your way. There is a learning curve and it can be overwhelming at first. It requires discipline, but it will pay off in time.

    This resource may help concerning diet: http://www.tiredoflyme.com/diet.html

    Concerning the supplemental protocol:
    Those are all great tools to help combat Lyme and co and Ive used them. Some for years at a time. Olive oil extract? Did you mean olive leaf extract?

    I think Buhner’s protocol has a great deal of wisdom and research behind it. Its a comprehensive multi tiered strategy that has proven successful for many.

    I send my love to you. Best wishes.

  • Couple of Lymies

    November 26, 2015 at 11:42 pm

    Hi Ionut,

    I’ve taken Ashwaganda seperate as well as together with Rhodiola. They’re both beautiful herbs – results felt similar in terms of aiding adrenals, stress support, chronic fatigue, etc.,… but if you’re (also) dealing with thyroid issues and/or insomnia, I’ve found that Ashwaganda in high doses has worked best. I then take Siberian Ginseng and Rhodiola on days my adrenals need more assistance.

    Also wanted to add a note about Vitamin C – I’ve found that ‘Amla C’ absorbs better and is much better on my stomach than Ascorbic Acid based C. Maybe because most ascorbic acid based vitamin C is derived from corn (which can be a food sensitivity for autoimmune conditions & late stage Lyme disease). Dosage should be discussed with LLMD. I’m on 1500mg of Amla C, but I’ve heard of dosages both higher and lower in protocols.

    Finally, you may also want to research some Chinese herbs as well… there are a number of Chinese herbs that are excellent for managing symptoms as well as breaking through the spirochete biofilm.

    All the best to you,
    Couple of Lymies

  • jacqueline mcwilliams

    December 1, 2015 at 12:48 pm

    I’m new to all of this but just today a friend told me to be very careful with the teasel root because it really kills the pathogens and can cause extremely strong herxing

  • Ben

    January 5, 2016 at 12:04 pm

    I’ve had Lyme for years had it to the point I almost lost my mind. My heart almost stopped working had the worst of chronic. So I took action I made three silver shield machines that make very high quality silver shield liquid. I soaked my mouth for an hour at night before bed and swallowed a shot glass full and did the teasel root protocol now if you add mineral drops will help aid in removing toxins which is very important as well as cranberry juice. I’m healed and owe it to this combination. The silver shield liquid is now selling now from people seeing my before and after!!! Hope everyone heals from this bad disease

  • rhobda

    January 18, 2016 at 1:02 am

    Hi I’ve been taking sarsaparilla cat’s claw Ashwagandha Andregraphs paniculata Japanese notweed
    It’s in a mixture called limeys
    It was bought at a herbal store I also take sarsaparilla root about 10 drops of each once a day I take cayenne pepper ginger lime and lemon with salt I drink this mixture every morning I’m wonde if I can take the Teasel root With these mixtures I have definitely improved a lot but I think the spirals are hiding and I think that the other stuff is killing it but I gotta bring it out from hiding will this be ok to take this stuff together as long as I start on a drop a day 2-3 days then you increase it by 2 drops 3 days there’s three dots three days
    I’m just wondering if these will be okay together I’m quite sure that the sarsaparilla is grabbing the stuff and take it to the garbage can but now I need something to go in and bring it out so the sarsaparilla can get rid of it

  • Charmaine

    January 26, 2016 at 4:42 pm

    does anyone know is there side effect with teasel, ive been finding it very hard to cope lately like im shaking all inside, last night was terrible its like your insides all shaking but you cant see it on the out side, i havent had this before and wonder is it possible that Teasel could be causing this reaction. Its now a week from I have really slept because of this feeling

    regards
    Charmaine

  • katia

    February 6, 2016 at 11:11 am

    try going gluten free

  • Holly

    March 29, 2016 at 1:37 pm

    Ben, How do you make the silver shield machines? I have been on colloidal silver for a few months now at higher ppm but 1100 ppm? Seems like too like too much. I spent around 1,000 for silver in 8 oz bottles at 10 ppm, which finding out is not even close to what is needed.
    Several years later, I decided to try again after finding NutraSilver Plus at 3600 ppm 30 ml which if you take as directed 3x a day, one bottle at around $20-$40 per bottle depending upon how many you order, one bottle only lasts about 9 days. Pretty expensive. I will say that I started on the recommended dose, had 2 days of almost clarity and pain free, then went into major, major herx. So it does work. But I had to back off to one serving a day sometimes 2.
    I would like to make my own. My fiance is an electrical engineer so I think we could figure out if we had the correct info. Thanks

  • Holly

    March 29, 2016 at 1:48 pm

    Ben, Then again, the 1100 ppm is pretty close to what the NutraSilver advocates if you do that 3x a day, that would mean the bottle last about 10 days or so.
    Also just starting to go back to herbs in tincture form ordered Spirunil and Biotox Elim from Forest Center Herbs. I will also be calling the Naturopath/Chiropractor who has used herbs in his practice for 40 yrs. 15 min consultation for $60. Sounds better than going to doctors over and over and getting no results. I am going to have to cure myself. Funny thing is I’ve had many of these herbs in proprietary blends from the Holtorff Clinic CA for over a year along with antibiotics that didn’t work(spent over $15-20k). These weren’t in tincture form, or maybe weren’t strong enough. I will ask about TOA Cat’s Claw. Anyone swear by that?
    Also have CMV and had EBV. Any recommendations for herbs that really target the Herpes viruses?

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